Harvey and Mike. Mike and Harvey. Have you ever wanted to know if they’re good lawyers? Today we’re going to find out. Stay until the end for my Legal Accuracy Grade.
SUITS has been highly requested; probably the most requested show on this channel. I think I missed Suits the first time around because I had already graduated from law school when it came out. But I’m glad I got a chance to watch this. This week i’m deconstructing the first episode of Suits.
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I get asked a lot about whether being a practicing attorney is like being a lawyer on TV. I love watching legal movies and courtroom dramas. It's one of the reasons I decided to become a lawyer. But sometimes they make me want to pull my hair out because they are ridiculous.
Today I'm taking a break from teaching law students how to kick ass in law school to take on lawyers in the movies and on TV. While all legal movies and shows take dramatic license to make things more interesting (nobody wants to see hundreds of hours of brief writing), many of them have a grain of truth.
This is part of a continuing series of "Lawyer Reaction" videos. Got a legal movie or TV show you'd like me to critique? Let me know in the comments!
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Objection: You said "this is he has to ask for help from people who have experience..." However.. Mike's skills as someone who can quickly retain information and recall even the smallest detail, is extremely relevant. He's asking for help from other associates, when it comes to filing cases and such because he's NOT actually a lawyer, and in doing so he would run the risk of exposing himself. Him being able to remember all the law books he read, allows him to quickly recall relevant information and cases which is what allows him to pass himself off as a great lawyer in the first place.
Objection : The first scene where Harvey shows the wired transaction from an escrow company was a bluff. It does not matter whether there was a deal or not because he was trying to convince the client to follow his wishes by putting the client in a tough decision. It is just a "fraud in the inducement" like you said.
I just love how you predicted the future of the firm so spot on.
Because giving Mike the job comes back to bite him in the ass in later season, and the whole firm is ruined because of it.
The entire premise of this show is that Mike's eidetic memory makes him a walking talking law library, but he hasn't read an entire law library, he researches relevant case law on a case by case basis, just like everyone else. So in theory after many years he may acquire and retain enough knowledge to have an edge on "normal" lawyers, but in the beginning of this series he should be completely incompetent.
I was an early fan of this show but it got more and more ridiculous as it went on, they all should have been in jail by the end of season 3.
The appeal of this show is that they are all bad at practicing law but charming enough to get away with it? It's what they say about all lawyers, isn't it? Boston Legal is mostly fantasy, but as far as role models on these two shows are concerned, at least you can imagine that Denny Crane was once a "proper" lawyer. This Harvey guy seems to have never been any good. Maybe the show is getting that across and it's more about Mike being the "good lawyer".
19:02 Objection : his “law experience” does not solely come from his memory he also well versed in the bar exam. As you pointed out, those looking to go to law school pay him to take the exam and he is so good he can actual decided what score he wants so I think it’s reasonable to believe he has a decent understanding of law before and his memory is just an added bonus.
What I liked about Suits from the start was that it's very clear that all of the Protagonists have absolutely no problem with being criminals. They all are. That's why I can accept them doing all these illegal things, lying etc. They aren't heroes, even if they sometimes do the "right" thing.
I could also tell you that, for a lawyer, you weren't really paying attention, nor understand the true premise of the show. You completley ignore a lot of detail explaining why Mike and Harvey did certain things. I could get into every aspect of this episode with you, but it seems like you pick and choose which parts to discuss, and ignore that parts the actually mattered... And for that, I grade you, on grading this show, a D. Good day sir!
At 10:43, you spoke about Harvey having an ethical obligation to the client, but, Harvey isn't just about doing what's right for the client alone , but about doing what's right for everyone, including the other side (given the other side aren't assholes). You're paying way more attention into the legal aspects of the show, than the nature of it, and of each character.
Harvey: Is pridefull, and a bit selfish when it comes to his reputaion. However, undernaeth all that bravado he's a caring person, and is always willing to help both sides, if there is a way of doing so that doesn't hurt or turn someone's life upside down. If you couldn't tell from the conversation Harvey had with Tate, he expressed that he liked Mr. Cooper, and that Harvey's client wanted to take away that man's reputaion and diginity... And although it's important to do what the clients wants, it's also Harvey's obliagtion to protect his firm's reputation. As he said, he doesn't like to do things in bad faith, which speaks about Harvey's character as a human being, not just as a lwayer.
But didn't Harvey know he would get disbarred if his actions were known? He just did it anyway. So it wasn't necessary wrong in terms of a legal sense, he knew what would happen to him but he did it anyway
to be fair, i like the show and being so they would have to take risks, its for the entertainment, but considering it has helped inspire me to be a laywer, thanks for still showing me the accuracy of it
Would like to see your view on this case in Australia. https://marcellous.wordpress.com/2011/04/09/a-thousand-miles-from-care-1/ - summarised by a follower there is 5 blog posts attributed to this case, still continuing in 2018; now being used as precedent in some company cases across Australia.
OBJECTION: the least realistic part of this show is that large US firms don't have British princesses working in them. That's simply not practical, as few British princesses have law degrees and the qualifications in the UK are completely different
I suspected there was a load of nonsense in this show. Which is why I stopped watching further than the first episode. And this was my first semester of law school. This has been better articulated by you, an actual lawyer. Thanks.
In the first episode, it seemed that the creators thought passing the bar exam was all it takes to be a lawyer (only true in New Hampshire, I believe), which would have meant Mike was actually a lawyer. They figured this out in later episodes.
Also, the real person Leonardo DiCaprio played in Catch Me If You Can actually passed the bar and practiced as a prosecutor without anything but a few months independent study, so Mike isn't impossible in this regard.
What? You mean it isn't actually real? Damn, that's almost as disappointing as when I realized I couldn't cross a canyon while sitting on an ACME rocket. Next thing you know, they'll try to say you can't really paint a tunnel on a brick wall and drive a train through it.
Its interesting how you fail to mention the blatant racism..Yet ive seen you in various videos call out other forms of bigotry or harassment as at least being illegal if not downright wrong. When the woman says "Why should I hire the whitest man ive ever seen" in a very mocking tone she immediately de-humanizes him; taking the conversation from what should be about merit, accomplishments, and ability; to him having to justify even being there in the first place because the color of his skin. Imagine if the roles were reversed. With a white man telling a woman "Why should I hire the blackest woman ive ever seen"; Not only would you talk about how illegal and wrong it is, but it would likely make national news if that show did that. However because hes white its completely ok to say that even though the woman is a wealthy person in a position of power as an his potential employer; because shes black? That not only seems wrong, but illegal; Mr. Legal Eagle.
Objection: He wasn't stating that he couldn't be admitted to the bar after law school, he was explaining why he couldn't compete college. Specifically he depended on that scholarship and didn't find a way to transfer to a different school and pay tuition.
I really love this new trend of having real professionals criticize tv shows. It really gives you an insight to how much effort a show puts to be accurate as well as educates the general public on some lesser known facts.
Really enjoying the videos, but I must make an Objection! Prima facie cinematographic techniques are integral to dramatization. So wailing about the Well. I'd also like to ask for a lot more on Boston Legal! They routinely made use of actual cases as a premise for they're shows. You should also allow a little more leeway with respect to the background, foundational work required that simply cannot make it into a 47 min show. Thanks for the cogitating.
Задайте и вы свой вопрос, это бесплатно!
Адвокат по телефону получит предварительную информацию от вас, после чего может в спокойной обстановке восполнить возможные пробелы и проанализировать
правовые нормы. Он оценит все факты и сможет подготовить развернутую консультацию для вас. По этой причине адвокат является вашим сторонником в
разрешении возникших проблем. Вы сбережете свои средства, обратившись за телефонной консультацией.
Таким образом, обращаясь по телефону к услугам адвоката, вы получаете возможность решить возникшие проблемы с минимальными финансовыми и временными
затратами. В некоторых случаях в дальнейших очных консультациях не возникает необходимости. По этой причине помощь адвоката, оказываемая по телефону,
Несомненно, сложность разрешения семейных неурядиц обусловлено тем, что между супругами, как правило, нет соглашения, брачного контракта и они предъявляют друг другу различные требования, как материального так и морального характера. Как показывает наша практика, прийти в такой ситуации к обоюдному решении семейного спора очень сложно и, порой, без вмешательства адвоката по семейным делам,— невозможно.
Доверяя решение своего семейного дела (спора) конкретному специалисту, нужно понимать, что не каждый юрист в Украине может предоставить профессиональную помощь в сфере семейного права. Нужно, как минимум, проверить отзывы о нём именно по семейный делам, а как максимум - убедиться в получении юридического образования и адвокатского свидетельства.
Обращаясь к нам, Вы можете быть уверены, что будете работать с компетентными специалистами именно в области семейного права. При первому требованию, мы предоставим красные дипломы о высшем юридическом образовании ведущих высших учебных заведений, адвокатское свидетельство и ссылки на Клиентов, их рекомендации, а также сможете пообщаться с ними в телефонном режиме или при личной встречи. Мы гарантирует качество своих услуг!
и других законов,
сделает анализ практики судов по спорным ситуациям. Наши консультации по телефону и без регистрации пояснят нормы закона и порядок действий
для решения спора.
Заблуждением является мнение, что семейный адвокат оказывает помощь только при возникновении проблемы. Надежный специалист ориентирован на долгосрочное сотрудничество и заинтересован в благополучии клиента. Поэтому он превращается в эффективного советника, способного оказать квалифицированную юридическую помощь по самым разным вопросам и предостеречь от необдуманных действий.